The FSSP are bad actors. (See above. I remember every word and it is my expectation that Father Wolfe will find someone else to host all the sermons he has been preaching but have not been posted publicly since the sad split with Audio Sancto. Dear DeMaria and my2cents, Mr. David McWhirter, FSSP ('12), are all set to join the priesthood, with three other alumni becoming deacons as well. His first Mass in Seattle will be on Sunday, October 5th and it will be a sung Mass. This is a good and reasonable rule for the protection of minors and avoiding issues (if . The fear of being disobedient to (modernist) Popes made so many many Catholics in the last 50 years compromise. Athanasius Schneider, Bp. Nor is it a personal attack on you. The greatest hurdle faced by the children of the Church in this case is coming to terms with the fact this is even possible, which one can do by applying their intellect to the situation in the light of faith, at which point the picture will become clear: Those who cling to the clarity dispensed by the Church before the Council cannot possibly be on anything other than solid ground, while those who accept the conciliar compromises are at risk of losing the faith. The reason I feel that way, my2cents, is because Ive held the position for decades, hence- bc of the timeframe-in my early years of mothering I met some of the original laity & priests who held the position (who BTW shall at this time remain nameless.) FSSP Events Fr. I implore you to never cease telling your story. Wolfe (as many on the ground have informed me and will likely attest here in the comment section) adopted a rather personal, and some would say unhealthy, animosity toward the SSPX. . Seattle, WA Today, he is unwilling even to address those specific conciliar propositions that are so clearly at odds with the tradition of the Church, and why this is the case isnt exactly a mystery. Those of us who dont have a dog in the fight would rather read about something more important. That we were all good people. Philip Wolfe, FSSP. but they have an interesting video which I have linked to several times (not sure anyone has watched it), but they make a point re: +Wmson thinking that Ratzinger is a good person. Checks can be written to "Mission Tradition." New - Meal Train - Calling all those who want to grow in love of neighbor! I have very good reasons for my feelings towards your beloved order. No the abandoning of Christ for the FSSP is a doctrinal matter: This is a defense of the SSPX not an attack on FSSP or Father Wolfe, personally. Rapid City, SD If Terry Carroll was just another CMTV premium member with an axe to grind, would Michael Voris have done this same about face? But as a sedevacantist myself, that excuse does not fly. 3littleshepherds1, That a priest who knows that Peter has forbidden him from offering the Sacrifice of the Mass would be so presumptive as to thumb his nose at the Vicar of Christ and say his superiors have given him permission is terrifying terrifying for the soul of that priest. God bless you both and pray for me. Omaha, NE The circumstances surrounding the departure of the French-Canadian priest from the Fraternity were a mystery. North American Headquarters, South Abington Twp, PA In a Nov. 15 statement, Archbishop Bernard Hebda said the recall of Father Gerard Saguto, FSSP, "was taken in response to an issue that had surfaced in trauma counseling undertaken voluntarily by Father Saguto and brought by him to the attention of his superiors. The FSSP really is apart of the novus ordo. Saskatoon, SK Lol.it wont be happening my friend. in the Mass prayers of Advent. addressed to TWN, Unfortunately, it is about to go the way of The DuMont Television Network, which was more entertaining. You do not have a right to hear anymore from me. I understand the point you're trying to make when you state that people thought the same of the Great & Venerated Saint Who ate locusts & foretold the Coming of the Redeemer and they did. The attacks from Michael Voris & CMTV against Catholics in the SSPX would not be possible were it not for the FSSP and the Bishops who ordain Priests for the FSSP. This is the price for full communion, but the truth remains that all three of these things (the Novus Ordo, the Council and the shenanigans of the popes) represent a grave danger to souls. When Pope John Paul II had the Assisi meeting Archbishop Lefebvre pleaded with the good Cardinals like Siri and Oddi to make a public protest to defend the honor of the Church. Little Rock, AR His pastor for some time (until very recently) was Fr. Thank you and God bless. I will take a look at the link you posted. Many excellent leaders in the Church, good holy men and women, recognize the exact same problems, but they havent left. Many Catholics, most Catholics, in fact, dont really know very much at all, if anything, about this group which has been around in one form or another since 1988, as one way of counting The Society came about in response, reaction to the overall weakening of the Church and many of Her leaders, which has been an ongoing process since the 1960s. Faith is a gift. The clerics involved in the taken down of Fisher Moore College and these many attacks on the SSPX need to seek out an exorcist. No wonder then, that at the beginning of the liturgical year the Church employs the imperative Excita Stir up! SEND FLOWERS. Joliet, IL I know a fair number of Fraternity priests, and they are among the finest priests I have ever met. Are they abandoning it if they fail to adopt the same posture as the SSPX? I read this blog daily.I may post here about 3 times a week, if that, and I would hardly consider what I do hijacking. Beloved husband of Marie (nee Corallo). The state police had executed a search warrant that day at the parish and arrested Father Jackson after determining that he was the owner of large amounts of child sex abuse material found on an external hard drive in an office area near his bedroom, an affidavit states. Many cant wait to give the high-five, and say Amen. The FSSP does not have time to respond to every crackpot coming down the internet pike. Youre coming out of your usual comfort zone. I still hadnt found out who Fr. El Paso, TX Under the standard of Christ? The central issue & question to be asked is: Is that religion which is currently observed in Vatican overseen dioceses worldwide the Catholic religion? Father Saguto began serving as All Saints pastor in August 2018. I have a certain admiration for Fr. Tyler, TX john6, All of us have a duties as Catholics. I hope all you FSSP faithful and supporters remember this when you are putting the envelope in the basket on Sunday. There is a way to point out the faults of others. If left unchecked, we find ourselves in a rut where it seems we are just spinning the wheels; meaning about things that should be important gets confused, or even lost, and a frustration with life begins to set in. Placed on leave in 11/18 after a man reported to the diocese 9/26 that Bouchard sexually abused him as a boy, ages 9-11. I love piokolby and others here enough to point out that they may be sinning themselves by their polemics and lack of prudent speech. sedevacantists dont believe the chair of peter is vacant theres no different/various groups within the sedevacantist movement. It includes those who, through no or >>limited<>>limited<<< fault of their own. ********** This is the depths to which mens minds can sink when they are not moored to the pursuit of truth. The SSPX, Church Militant, and many other Catholics recognize the deep crisis that has been brought about by weak leaders, corrupt leaders, homosexual leaders, feminized leaders in the Church for the past fifty-odd years. I too have been guilty of using the combox to lay off my personal frustrations, and I have also used uncharitable language. Many faithful Catholics couldnt take it anymore, so to speak, and simply left. Sarasota, FL Im sure some people reading this comment section of louies fine blog will be scratching their heads thinking so many different opinions on the same topic whats it all about.. Im not talking about those who comment but readers of louies blog who might just be coming across these topics for the first time. I believe Bishop Morlino just issued a public apology to the SSPX also. Louie, your excellent blog is being hijacked. Bishop Morlino who has ties to opus dei and the Jesuits he is also a friend of the FSSP who recently attacked the SSPX by promoting the myth that the SSPX Priests do not have supplied Jurisdiction. I was still reading his blog almost daily when it all transpired, and can remember it not sitting well with me after hearing his explanations. And it comes from the preaching of those who have received, along with their right of succession in the episcopate, the sure charism of truth. Third Street - Evansville, IN 47708 Mass Time: 3rd Sun 9 am Phone number: (812) 422-5150 Priest: Fr Gene Vogler. The modernists are suborning the so-called traditionalists. Los Angeles, CA what does matter , though, is if they adhere to the teachings of the Church. http://youtu.be/eXxOLNRBdXw. While a routine and discipline are important (assuming these has been achieved in some measure), mindless routine and lack of discipline prey upon the vitality we, deep down, sense the Faith should inspire. If they fail to do their duty then the moral responsibility for the many Mortal sins coming from all of this rest with the leadership of the FSSP and the Bishop of Father Paul Nicholson. There is, in any event, no SSPX or sedevacantist chapel within easy driving distance of me even if I wanted to go. A Person stands behind the doctrine and morals. I am glad to be able to stay on course with what Louie provides here. It was also taken in response to related concerns that Father Saguto had failed to observe the safe environment protocols of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis for interaction with minors (e.g. While every home has its own mix of dysfunction, the anger and frustration displayed by those raised in more dysfunctional ones reveals this innate sense of what was to be expected. Voris linked directly to the FSSP site in Scotland in his attacks on Catholics in the SSPX. German-speaking Chaplain Father Gerald Gesch. ** Saguto, FSSP in the recording. I hope for the sake of the salvation of souls and the good of the Church that the whole story is known. The objective truth isnt really all that difficult to see here with respect to the Councils standing in relation to the truths of the faith as they have always been taught. The FSSP constitutions in 2003 bound the FSSP to the document that contains lies and heresy. But not so with you, you came forth to talk. For the person who knows that the Council is a grave danger to the faith, they have no problem advising against them allowing themselves (and their kids) to be formed in an FSSP parish since we have an obligation to engage those things that threaten to lead us away from the faith. This, for the love of God & the goal of conversion. Brookville, IN It might seem like a small misfortune, but that Colleges demise illustrates in spades the traps awaiting any future independent and stridently Catholic apostolate that seeks to foster unity among the trad diaspora. Allentown, PA The way they advise individuals is highly personalized. Edmonton, AB Montreal, QC Fort Worth, TX Louie February 22, 2023 Blog Post No Comments. I wish I could make your comment flash in bright colors. No sedevacantists disagree on this. Both Verrecchio and Voris are about exactly my age born at the tail end of the American baby boomers and although not a bit as courageous or knowledgeable in the faith as them, I really commiserate with both their stories. I think it is excellent. Vancouver, BC Will the FSSP tell Voris PUBLICLY that he does not have permission to use FSSP sermons in his attacks on other Catholics in print or in audio and that his view that the SSPX is in schism is not the OFFICIAL position of the FSSP? The full details of what happened at Fisher Moore College need to be made public. In any case, the plagiarized text (as alleged in the link above) is taken from a sermon given by Fr. Im happy to let people know what led me to the place where I currently stand. Indeed, contrary to what some may hear about us, we sedevacantists in reality live amidst other Catholics in peace & gracious commaraderie. Providence, RI When making comments please consider that there is a tsunami of baptized Catholics following us who dont have the foggiest idea of what is going on in the Church, and that popular blogs no matter what their angle may be the platform they have to grasp the issues. Catholics who go to SSPX chapels: Are you so incredibly certain of your case that that priest is not being disobedient. it comes from the intimate sense of spiritual realities which they experience. hi, Servant of Our Lady, The same holds for the FSSP all the statements about the FSSP are true. Dear Louie, May God love you. He is in control, and our fidelity in things both small and large is what obtains for us the supernatural insights into His very life and designs. Gerard Saguto (US District Superior) and Fr. All in all, the time table laid out herein is accurate. Fr. It may seem ironic, but I have zero tolerance for that. I, for one, have found so many polite & dear empathetic souls here on Mr. V.s site who treat me wth tender kindness even on my worst days, and would never even think of bringin up my myriad flaws & throw them in my face. All that said, I found it very unfortunate that Bishop Olson yanked away the TLM without providing any alternative using his own resources, either at the college or within reasonable proximity to it. San Diego, CA The bottom line, in my opinion, is he is merely a distraction from the real issues facing the Catholic world and the world in general. May none of us ever become so prideful as to claim immunity. Terra as hes still not quite 100% in his health. 3:00pm Closing Talk - Fr. http://youtu.be/S_vwwajyASI. As , albeit indirectly, pointed out in a discussion with my2cents below, trads have 2 things in common: they love the so called latin mass & they revile sedevacantists. Novus Ordo Traditionalists That is the most Orwellian phrase I have ever heard. Wolfe. Im surprised to see terminology used here. This is a combox, we are commenters. It doesnt take a Sherlock Holmes to connect the dots, folks. UPDATE: Having just received a message from a friend on the ground, Im happy to clarify that Fr. Gerard Saguto, FSSP November 15, 2019 From Archbishop Bernard A. Seattle, WA The Eichman twins join their older brother as an FSSP priest, with a younger Eichman brother still training at the seminary. And we must distinguish between the two. Hence the old adage that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.. *** A couple decades ago I wrote for a very popular trad bi-monthly which I will not name, whose editor said a now famous statement: You can tell they are Catholics by their hate. This means that love is the basis of being a member of the Church, as it is supposed to be the basis of being a member of a home. The FSSP has a long public and well documented record with the SSPX. All in mortal sin? Any insight you can give regarding this reaction will be appreciated. He is EVIL. Grega's departure from the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter could have been given. I suggest you show more charity to Catholics. Now there is the objective case of schism, and the legal/subjective case of schism. Dear grandfather of. The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter has served All Saints since 2013. So, what exactly will change at the stroke of twelve? 09:00am Holy Mass - Extraordinary Form*. South Bend, IN http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f072_DivMercy.htm. I do not understand the connection and would like to understand. However, sadly, the impression is often given that this is not the case. A group like CMRI *does* accept those consequences, quite readily; they are not bothering to depend on any bishops but their own for their apostolates. . dear john6, God bless you. These Catholics focus heavily & almost continually on Bergoglio-who is not the problem. Yes, I feel certain that this unfortunate behavior comes from both sides of the aisle (so to speak). It has been my experience time and again that fellow Trads, who later support the sedevacantist position, want nothing to do with family or friends who do not take this position. At first I thought this was an angry tirade toward Mr. Voris for alleged plagerism. FSSP pastors are . Did the FSSP help the SSPX in this injustice? Fraternity Publications All of these evils, in fact, are their responsibility. (opposite to voris) I would imagine quite the opposite, im sure this approach has caused louie a great deal of problems as of late. Look, if Michael had a genuine change of heart such that he now feels compelled to change his previous (and well disseminated) stance of these matters, he would address them head on. This reality does in fact place the FSSP under the standard of Satan objectively. IMHO what you point out is important. De maria. The only people that ran anywhere were the faithless and feckless fools who, many unknowingly, just accepted the Council and the new Mass as gifts from Almighty God. The benefit and usefulness of suffering is evident in such instances, at least in hindsight. FSSP en MEXICO - Oficial 14.7K subscribers Subscribe Like Share 1.8K views 1 year ago Esto es una pequesima muestra de lo que da identidad a la FSSP. Sometimes we are trite, blunt, even silly. Fr. In the event that a request were made in the future, the present restrictions on Father Sagutos ministry could only be lifted after our normal review process, which would have to include a recommendation from the Ministerial Review Board of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis, Archbishop Hebda added. 5: Looking at what happened at Fisher Moore College in the light of the attacks from Voris this week and in the light of the attacks on Father Gruner the night of his death by Father Paul Nicholson this is all clearly a manifestation of the demonic. Well, I suppose I am one of them, then though I would characterize myself as more than prefer since I exclusively attend the TLM (save for an occasional Melkite liturgy, I suppose), either through an Ecclesia Dei society or diocesan priest, depending on where I am. At one time, I am certain that Michael Voris would likewise refuse to sign such a statement. FSSP Missions On the local level, a dust up ensued between the SSPX and the FSSP, or more appropriately, between individual persons associated with each as, apparently, a priest of the Society had advised people to avoid the FSSP and it got back to Fr. The Fraternity is known for celebrating the Mass and sacraments in Latin in what is known as the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite, following the liturgical books that were in place in 1962, prior to the liturgical reforms of the Second Vatican Council. They accept the council and while there are priests that personally may object even tell certain parishiners this or that they have by joining one of these groups accepted romes position that the second vatican council is part of the church and tradition. But thats definitely not the position of the SSPX. Why should this action with the SSPX have any meaningful import? FSSP NA on YouTube Saguto? Lexington, KY Just one full-communion Catholic educational environment where debate over the impact and soundness of a monumentally disruptive 50 year old council might take place? If you dont mind-consider a few thingsyou dont have to respond-this is not a challenge. Dear Alarico, Quite honestly, few of us can giggle today, no? Presumably because (generally speaking) the FSSP priests avoid directly criticizing the dangers inherent in the new Mass and the Council (as Voris once did) as well as the words and deeds of the pope. We start to get sloppy; our fallen tendency to search out the path of least resistance becomes more insistent. But if the situation is such that no connection whatsoever with the rest of the Church can be justified, then what you really have to be advocating is full-blown sedevacantism. We hold that the religion borne of VII is not the Catholic religion, but a non-Catholic Sect, of which Bergoglio is now the head. Terry Carroll, like his pastor, did too, and that personal vendetta against the Society (and unwillingness to go full bore after the dangers associated with the Council, the new Mass, and the actions of the pope) has since been adopted by Michael Voris as well. He pretends he never believed anything other than what he spews today. Catholics are watching and waiting. This is my weak attempt at trying to make things easier for new readers etc to understand the different positions. Mr. Peter McShurley ('14), Rev. He deleted from his website any and all references to his former positions; as well as the segments that include me; a 13 part Vatican II series among them. *** Dwelling in their castle of self-righteousness, they are blinded & cannot see that courageous Catholics like yourself will risk all to protect another Catholic from experiencing degradation at the hands of a wolf in sheeps clothing. Fr. Peace be to you. May Our Lord reward you for your great defense of the Faith and holy priests, EVERYWHERE!! NEWS & ADVICE. I think, as does Michael Matt, that the FSSP priests each have their own reasons for their actions in these dangerous times as they attempt to carry out their duties of saving souls. Father Gerard Saguto, F.S.S.P. There is no doctrine, no moral apart from Him who declares Himself to the be the Truth. That constancy, Father Saguto said, is important in a world where constant change is the norm. Or more likely, he is a talking head for an evil and destructive force. If interested, you can contact her at 612-450-0273 or gemmarose974@gmail.com. Wigratzbad Seminary Quincy, IL We here at Church Militant have one concern here: Despite stupid claims that we are doing this for money, we are concerned about the souls of our fellow Catholics. I dont follow Mr. Voris. Catholics are watching and waiting. The authorities of the FSSP have been notified about all this just as Father Paul Nicholsons Bishop was about his demonic actions. Mr. Miguel Flores-Perez ('02), and Rev. The FSSP parish runs a school and the local diocese enforces a policy that all adults who work with children must have a criminal background check and fingerprint search. Call Father Wolfe and ask him about the SSPX! With respect, atttempts to moderate commmenters on this site have been undertaken by other commenters here before, going back years. In real life, the sounds I hear are absolutely luscious and absolutely glorious. Minneapolis, MN Will you also look at the links I posted above? Voris and Fisher more college are just the latest in a long line of horrors. Wolfe: Schism is not something that comes into being by a legal declaration. Harrisburg, PA After being established, North American Martyrs Parish offered its Masses at St. Alphonsus Parish in the Ballard neighborhood of Seattle, with the exception of a single Low Mass every Sunday at Holyrood Cemetery in Shoreline. Youngstown, OH. Many in the world only have the SSPX chapels or missionary priests to attend the traditional Latin Mass. I understand there is a diabolical disorientation going on, which is difficult for many priests to recover from, but devotion to the divine mercy chaplet only exacerbates the disorientation, I have noted. I am only asking this question in the hope that you can shed some light on this kind of behavior. I must admit, I am not a typical traditionalist but have read my way through hours of debate over the defense of tradition and have come across many resources, such as this forum, that have given me a formation that I wouldnt have guessed having even just 5 years ago while still assuming that I am even to this day light years away. 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